ReWild Yourself

Welcome to the ReWild Yourself Podcast! I’m Daniel Vitalis, and I’ll be your guide through the world of human ecology and lifestyle design. We’ll explore the strategies that our ancient human bodies and minds need to thrive in a modern world — awakening our instincts and freeing ourselves from the degenerative effects of human domestication.
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Sep 20, 2017

Tim Spector — a Professor of Genetic Epidemiology and microbiome researcher — spent three days eating like a hunter-gatherer with the Hadza in Tanzania and dramatically changed the diversity of his gut microbiome. He wrote about his experience in a recent article for CNN, and we brought him on ReWild Yourself Podcast to share his story and explain the importance of gut diversity for robust health.

Tim is also the Founder and Director of the TwinsUK Registry at Kings College, London — the richest collection of genotypic and phenotypic information worldwide — and has recently been elected to the prestigious Fellowship of the Academy of Medical Sciences. He has published over 800 research articles and is ranked as being in the top 1% of the world’s most cited scientists by Thomson-Reuters. He held a prestigious European Research Council senior investigator award in epigenetics and is a NIHR Senior Investigator. His current work focuses on omics and the microbiome, and he directs the crowdfunded British Gut microbiome project. He is a prolific writer with several popular science books and a regular blog, focusing on genetics, epigenetics and most recently, microbiome and diet. 

In this interview, Tim brings us up to speed on our current scientific understanding of the microbiome, what his research has uncovered and how we can apply this knowledge to our own diet and lifestyle to achieve a healthy microbiome. Ultimately, Tim has found that the key to a diverse and healthy gut is to ReWild Yourself — eating a species-rich diet of foraged foods and interacting with the natural world (translation: exposure to plentiful and diverse microbes). Tune into our conversation for an in-depth outline of the trillions of bacteria that inhabit your human animal, and learn how you can cultivate a healthy, robust community of beneficial gut bacteria.


  • Show Introduction:
    • SurThrival NEW product teaser + upcoming Rather Hunt Gather clothing
    • Hunt + Gather updates: Feral apples, wild cranberries, butternut, bear hunting, chicken of the woods mushroom and offshore fishing on the Bunny Clark
    • Q&A: Barefoot boot recommendations
  • Introducing Professor Tim Spector
  • Defining omics
  • Studying twins and epigenetics
  • What led Tim to his study of diet
  • Researching the healthiest diet
  • The largest endocrine organ in the body: the microbiome
  • Microbiome and metabolic individuality
  • What is our current understanding of the microbiome?
  • The effects of antibiotics on the microbiome
  • Recounting Tim’s time spent living and eating with the Hadza
  • Thoughts on the microbiome of the ReWilder
  • General guidelines for a healthy microbiome
  • Tim’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Sep 13, 2017

As the prevalence of ticks and tick-borne illness continues to grow, particularly in the northeastern United States, the modern hunter gatherer (and all who enjoy spending time in the natural world) must be acutely aware of the risk of tick exposure when out on the landscape and have a comprehensive tick strategy in place. Dr. Stephen Rich is here to take us on an intimate tour of the tick and how we can best mitigate our risk of tick-borne disease.

Dr. Stephen Rich is a Professor of Microbiology and Director of the Laboratory of Medical Zoology at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. He is also the Director of Tick Report, a fantastic and accessible tick testing service for public individuals and agencies seeking more information about the risk of dangerous pathogens. 

In this interview, Stephen guides us through the most common tick species and where to find them, as well as the life stages of the tick and the various stages of tick bite prevention. Stephen gives us the lowdown on why we’re seeing a massive increase and what appears to be a northward migration of ticks in our environment. We also discuss the various tick-borne illnesses, with a special focus on Lyme disease, and what we can do to prevent contracting these illnesses if we are bitten by a tick. This information is so vital for all of us who enjoy a relationship with the natural world! Please enjoy this illuminating conversation with Dr. Stephen Rich, and share this podcast with friends and family that could benefit from a better understanding of ticks and tick-borne illness!


  • Show Introduction:
    • Hunt + Gather updates: Bear hunting and elderberry harvesting
    • Q&A: Prepping for natural disasters + opting out of airplane body scanners
    • Thoughts on ticks and tick-borne disease + Daniel’s personal tick strategies 
  • Introducing Dr. Stephen Rich
  • What piqued Stephen’s interest in zoonotic disease and ticks
  • Mice in the last glaciation
  • On Stephen’s service, Tick Report
  • The taxonomy of ticks and transmission of disease
  • Why the massive increase and northward migration in human-biting ticks?
  • The life stages of ticks
  • Where to find different species of ticks
  • What happens when a tick bites you
  • The stages of tick bite prevention
  • Getting perspective on Lyme disease
  • Lyme disease and co-infections by the numbers
  • Best practices for removing a tick
  • Stephen’s predictions for the future of ticks and tick-borne disease
Sep 7, 2017

Nadine Artemis is back on ReWild Yourself Podcast to discuss how to reveal and revive your natural radiance by embracing “renegade” beauty. Nadine is the creator of Living Libations, an exquisite line of serums, elixirs, and essentials oils for those seeking the purest of the pure botanical health and beauty products on the planet. She is the author of Holistic Dental Care: The Complete Guide to Healthy Teeth and Gums and soon-to-be-released Renegade Beauty: Reveal and Revive Your Natural Radiance--Beauty Secrets, Solutions, and Preparations. An innovative aromacologist, Nadine develops immune-enhancing formulas and medicinal blends for health and wellness. Nadine’s fresh paradigm for beauty and her natural approach to health presents a revolutionary vision; it allows the life-force of flowers, dewdrops, plants, the sun, and water to be the ingredients of healthy living and lets everything unessential, contrived, and artificial fall away.

In this episode, Nadine guides us through the concepts of “renegade” beauty, beginning with the foundational piece of health, wellness and beauty: our microbiome. Most modern skincare and self-care products are laden with toxic ingredients that may offer a quick fix to an issue, but overlook the root cause, and often have detrimental effects to our bodies and our environment. Nadine encourages us to harness the power of our plant allies and the elemental forces of nature to simplify our self-care routines and allow our natural radiance to shine through. While we focus on many women-specific topics, there is something for everyone in this interview!


  • Show Introduction:
    • Renegade Beauty Book Giveaway
    • Hunt + Gather updates: elderberry harvesting, brook trout fishing, cooking with acorns and getting a dog
    • Q&A: Properly storing wild berry powders
  • Introducing Nadine Artemis
  • Nadine’s new book, Renegade Beauty
  • Beauty from within
  • The meaning of vitalism
  • From the milky way to the microbiome: allowing our micro biome to be our beautician
  • Harnessing the power of our plant allies
  • Wise interaction with the sun
  • Navigating the toxins in our modern world
  • Breast health 
  • On iodine deficiency 
  • Embracing the expansion of pregnancy
  • Renegade beauty realms and skin type hype
  • Moving towards a more beautiful world
Aug 30, 2017

Our bodies are a walking ecosystem that we share with trillions of microbes. While the majority of these microbes are native and beneficial, you might be surprised to learn that many of us are harboring parasites that can be the root cause of symptoms like chronic fatigue, brain fog, depression and more. Evan Brand is here to share the truth about parasites, how to test for them and how we can restore the ecology of our human animal. Evan is an Author, Podcast Host and a Louisville, Kentucky-based Board-Certified Holistic Nutritionist, Certified Functional Medicine Practitioner and Nutritional Therapist. He is passionate about healing the chronic fatigue, obesity, and depression epidemics after solving his own IBS and depression issues. He uses at-home lab testing and customized supplement programs to find and fix the root cause of a wide range of health symptoms.

In this interview, Evan and I discuss how to take a conscientious approach to many of the obstacles to robust health we face in our modern times. Our conversation leads us down many pathways — from glyphosate exposure to parasites to caffeine and stress response to mitigating the effects of EMF. Get out your notebooks for this one, folks, as Evan shares countless resources with us for our own personal investigation!


  • Show Introduction:
    • Hunt + gather updates: Harvesting rosehips, making berry powder, apple cider season, upcoming bear season and acorn battered fried squirrel
    • Q&A: How much food does Daniel actually hunt and gather + what foods does he purchase?
  • Introducing Evan Brand
  • What Evan’s been up to lately
  • Hunting, Sandhill cranes and invasive species
  • On glyphosate
  • What led Evan to his work
  • The truth about parasites and why you should care
  • Likelihood of glyphosate exposure
  • The science behind the benefits of nature immersion
  • Caffeine, social media and anxiety
  • Strategies for mitigating the effects of EMF
  • Evan’s general prescription for his clients
  • Evan’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Aug 23, 2017

Today’s show explores terroir — the flavor of place. Discovering the wild flavors of your local bioregion is a smart and ecologically interactive way to intimately engage with your place and add context to the story of your food. Pascal Baudar — wild food researcher and a self-styled “culinary alchemist” — joins us to share his unique and inspiring niche in the wild food world: wildcrafted terroir.

Based in southern California with access to many different ecosystems (mountain, desert, chaparral, and seashore) and 700+ different wildcrafted ingredients, Pascal is a brazen wild food experimenter who combines his knowledge of plants and his local landscape with the innovative techniques of a master food preserver and chef. Pascal was named one of the 25 most influential tastemakers in L.A. by Los Angeles magazine, and his locally sourced wild ingredients and unique preserves have made their way into the kitchens of such star chefs as Ludo Lefebvre, Josiah Citrin, Ari Taymor, Michael Voltaggio, Chris Jacobson and Niki Nakayama. He is the author of The New Wildcrafted Cuisine, an incredible book of culinary concepts and ideas featuring recipes and preservation techniques using a local terroir.

Pascal is here to change how we think about wild food. He invites us to experiment with the wild ingredients in our own local bioregion and shares some examples of how he creatively crafts wild cuisine from the landscape he calls home. You’ll hear the wide variety of uses for wild sage, how he makes his own salt and how he uses insects in his wild ferments. Pascal’s work is rooted in love of place, and I hope he inspires you to infuse more local wild terroir into your own wild food plate.


  • Show Introduction:
    • Hunt +gather updates: Fishing, free diving and iguana hunting in the Florida Keys
    • Q&A: Methods of organizing/recording/searching for your hunting/fishing/foraging spots to go back to in the future
    • Teaser about upcoming show on ticks
  • Introducing Pascal Baudar
  • Pascal’s niche in the wild food world
  • What led Pascal to survivalism
  • Defining terroir
  • Pascal’s local bioregion and wild food unique to his area
  • How Pascal uses sage in his dishes
  • Reflecting on a career in commercial foraging
  • Insect cuisine
  • Relationship to stone
  • Adding context to your food
  • How to make your own salt
  • Wildcrafted fermentation
  • The work behind the wild food plate
  • Pascal’s educational journey
  • Making vinegar from fruit flies
  • Using acorns
  • Spiritual relationship to wild food
  • Pascal’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Aug 16, 2017

Water — our most vital resource — is a topic that is quite often on our minds. There are the global water issues such as the fact that 783 million people do not have access to fresh water, droughts throughout our planet are becoming more wide-spread and the biodiversity of our oceans is declining at an alarming rate. There are the issues closer to home, like (for us in the United States) the droughts in California and the recent water crisis in Michigan caused by contaminated municipal water, potentially exposing over 100,000 residents in the city of Flint, MI to high levels of lead in their drinking water. And then there are the more personal water issues, such as considerations over what’s the best, most healthful water for us to drink and how much water is ideal for one to consume in a day. 

Our relationship with water has profoundly impacted our history, and Brian Fagan — archaeologist,  Emeritus Professor of Anthropology and prolific author — is here to share key pieces of our shared history with water and how we can reflect on this history to help solve water crises of the future. Brian was born in England, was educated at Cambridge University (BA (Honors), MA, and PhD) and worked in Central Africa as an archaeologist and museum curator before coming to the University of California, Santa Barbara in 1967. He is the author of numerous articles and general books on archaeology, ancient climate change, and most recently histories of water, ancient seafaring, and the changing relationship between humans and animals. Brian is regarded as one of the world’s leading archaeological writers and lectures about the past, especially ancient climate change, all over the world. 

In this interview, Brian artfully weaves together the history of water and humankind. We discuss the timeline of water issues and cover some of the most prevalent water issues plaguing our planet at this time, as well as Brian’s predictions for what we can expect in the future. This interview is not a doomsday report, as Brian’s message is a wake-up call for our species that is filled with hope for our planet and Homo sapiens (the wise ones) and our ingenuity and adaptability. It is a call to regain the reverence for water that our ancestors possessed!


  • Show Introduction:
    • The story of Lyrical and importance of easing people into wild foods
    • Hunt + Gather updates: Chokecherries, Tenkara trout fishing and freediving
    • What I've been reading and watching
    • Q&A on insects: Natural repellents and indigenous practices for insect management
  • Introducing Brian Fagan
  • What led Brian to his work today
  • The history of fishing
  • Future of wild fisheries
  • Defining archaeology
  • The effects of agriculture on our planet
  • When did water become an issue?
  • History of humans and water
  • The loss of reverence for water
  • The current state of water
  • Needless wasting of water
  • Possible solutions to modern water issues
  • Brian’s prognosis for the future of water
Aug 12, 2017

You asked, we answered! Kim Anami — our favorite holistic sex + relationship coach — is back on ReWild Yourself Podcast to infuse more passion into our lives and beds. In today’s show, we’re answering your juiciest questions on healthy human sexuality and relationships!

Kim's work is a spiritual synthesis of two decades of Tantra, Taoism, Osho, Transpersonal psychology, philosophy and a host of quantum growth-accelerating practices she uses to propel clients into higher stratospheres of connection, intimacy, energy and creativity. 

Tune in to hear Kim and I answer your questions on conscientious birth control, nurturing masculine and feminine archetypes, our thoughts on celibacy, building trust, anal sex and so much more!

**Note: We experienced some technical issues during this interview, so we apologize in advance for the less-than-excellent audio quality! We promise the content is worth it (:


  • Kim’s passion for surfing and the ocean
  • Listener Q&A with Kim and Daniel:
    • Thoughts on vasectomies
    • Conscientious birth control practices
    • Cultivating a strong, articulate, sensitive vagina
    • Living your life’s mission + nurturing the masculine and feminine archetypes
    • Kim’s thoughts on raising empowered girls
    • Spirituality, celibacy and sexuality
    • Keeping long distance relationships alive
    • Thoughts on “swallowing”
    • Building trust and anal sex
    • Being versatile and conscious lovers
  • Kim’s Well-F**ked Woman Salon
Aug 9, 2017

"How you live is how you die," Dr. Scott Eberle — a physician specializing in end-of-life care — tells us in today's interview. Having spent many years at the bedside of the dying, Scott has learned some important lessons from those participating in their final rite of passage, and he's here to impart a bit of that wisdom with us today, inspiring us to live and die more consciously.

Dr. Scott Eberle is a medical director of Hospice of Petaluma in Petaluma, California, as well as an experienced teacher and author, and a wilderness guide.  Together with Meredith Little of the School of Lost Borders, he co-created “The Practice of Living and Dying,” an innovative wilderness curriculum exploring the human experience of being a mortal animal.

In this interview, we explore the practice of living and dying and what it means to be a mortal animal. Consciously approaching life and death calls for us to "confront the difficult questions" and "have the difficult conversations" right now, and Scott shares how he has integrated these practices into his own life. We discuss Scott's experiences working in hospice, thoughts on death acceptance, the common regrets of the dying and much more. If you’re a mortal animal, you’ll want to hear this conversation!


  • Show Introduction:
    • Hunt + Gather updates: Transitioning to autumn, wild cherries & trout fishing
    • Reflecting on the Moon Dance
    • Q&A: Beard-scaping
  • Introducing Dr. Scott Eberle
  • What is hospice and how Scott came to work in this field
  • What it’s like to interact with people in their dying time
  • Denial of death
  • Lessons learned from the bedside of the dying
  • The top five regrets of the dying
  • What led Scott back to the natural world
  • Experiencing the AIDS epidemic
  • The practice of living and dying
  • Blending holistic wellness with our modern healthcare system
  • Being a mortal animal
  • Confronting the difficult questions and conversations now
  • Thoughts on the soul and life’s purpose
  • What Scott has come to hope for his own dying time
  • Scott’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Aug 2, 2017

What a pleasure it was to speak with lifelong forager and pioneer in sustainable commercial wild food and mushroom foraging, Connie Green. Connie founded one of the very first and largest wild food businesses in the U.S., Wine Forest, where she still resides as “head huntress,” overseeing a beautifully rich and diverse selection of wild foods furnished to top chefs, restaurants, retailers and consumers. Friends of the forest, Connie and her team believe that wild food harvesting goes hand in hand with a love and respect for the ecosystems where these delectable wild edibles grow.

In this episode, Connie takes us back in time through the landscape of foraging over the past few decades and shares how she got her start in the commercial foraging business. She illuminates the commercial side of the foraging world with a focus on what she considers to be the secret ingredient in bridging the ancestral practice of hunting and gathering with modern gourmet cooking: sustainability and ethical harvesting practices. 

We also explore some tactical “in the field” topics, such as Connie’s indispensable foraging equipment and her recommendations for how to get started foraging. Tune in and be inspired — or re-inspired — to participate in your local ecology by hunting and gathering from your landscape!


  • Show Introduction:
    • Got a question for Kim Anami about healthy human sexuality?
    • Hunt + gather updates: Freediving in Florida
    • Q&A: Back support on long car rides
  • Introducing Connie Green
  • How Connie came to this way of life
  • The landscape of foraging over the decades
  • On Euell Gibbons - the great grandfather of foraging
  • Wild food in restaurants
  • Crossroads between wild foods and agriculture
  • Eating invasives
  • The sustainability of hobbyist and commercial foragers
  • Level of processing for the commercial forager
  • Connie’s indispensable foraging equipment
  • Plant people, mushroom people, animal people
  • Getting started foraging
  • A message to aspiring foragers
  • Connie’s prognosis for the future of the human species
  • Where to find Connie’s work
Jul 26, 2017

Joe Roman — conservation biologist, author & editor ’n’ chef of — joins us for the second interview in our informal series on the topic of invasive species. Joe’s research focuses on endangered species conservation and marine ecology, and he is a researcher at the Gund Institute for Ecological Economics at the University of Vermont and a Hrdy Visiting Fellow at Harvard University. His website is dedicated to fighting invasives one bite at a time and is an incredible resource for hunter gatherers who are interested in being apart of the culinary solution to the biological problem of invasives.

In this interview, Joe gives us the status report on global species extinction and shares some potential solutions to conserving our earth’s biodiversity through extirpation of invasive species. We discuss the impact individuals (and commercial operations) who hunt and gather can have on extirpating invasives from their non-native range, as well as the role government management plays in this issue. Joe gives us tactical advice for proper harvesting of invasives and for keeping our ecological impact on native biodiversity as low as possible when we’re out foraging. Peppered throughout our conversation are edible invasive species that you can learn more about and start harvesting right now! We cover a lot of ground in this interview, including a fascinating glimpse into the domestication of the ocean.

Joe’s outlook — based on years of dedicated research and time spent in the field harvesting & eating invasives — is realistic but also quite hopeful. Tune into this conversation to gain a better understanding of the current landscape of invasives!


  • Show introduction:
    • Our native North American caffeine plant
    • Hunt + gather updates: lobstering and coastal foraging
    • Chewstick update
    • Q&A: Recommendations on chewstick species in different bioregions
    • Q&A: Thoughts on blood type diets
    • Q&A: Role of horses in ReWilding lifestyle
  • Introducing Joe Roman
  • Joe shares about his work
  • The status report on global species extinction and invasives
  • Conservation of charismatic species vs the less photogenic species
  • Defining invasives
  • A culinary solution to a biological problem
  • Conservation of biodiversity and managing invasives
  • Joe’s invasive species resource:
  • A forager’s ecological impact
  • Commercial harvest of invasives
  • The domestication of the ocean
  • Predictions on future species extinction
  • Are there invasive species we can eat into extinction or extirpation from their non-native range?
  • Thoughts on de-extinction
  • Joe’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Jul 19, 2017

How can you create conditions that are private, safe and unobserved for yourself during childbirth? This question is a core message behind the work of Dr. Sarah Buckley — author of the best selling book Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering and mother of four home-born children. Dr. Buckley is a New-Zealand-trained GP/family physician with qualifications in GP-obstetrics and family planning and currently combines full-time motherhood with her work as a writer on pregnancy, birth, and parenting.

Women were biologically designed to give birth in the wild, and oftentimes, the conventional maternity care system does not effectively support the ancestral and biological needs of a woman during childbirth. Dr. Buckley spent seven years researching and synthesizing the scientific evidence on the hormonal physiology of childbearing. She found that the science confirms the innate wisdom of a laboring woman — following your intuition can allow your hormones to guide you on the pathway to a healthy, gentle birth.

In this episode, we unpack how women can tune into their innate birthing wisdom as Dr. Buckley guides us through the hormonal physiology from pregnancy all the way through to the first days spent with their newborn baby. We discuss preparing for labor, hormonal gaps, choosing a healthcare provider, breastfeeding, bed sharing and so much more. Enjoy!


  • Show introduction:
    • Why Daniel's excited about Yaupon tea
    • Chewstick update
    • Hunt + gather updates: blueberries, mackerel fishing, clamming & upcoming Florida freediving trip
    • Q&A: Daniel's opinion on sustainably-harvested coffee
    • Q&A: Call to listeners for child-friendly resources with a "rewilding mindset"
  • Introducing Dr. Sarah Buckley
  • Sarah’s background
  • Modern medical research validating traditional birthing wisdom
  • Designed to give birth in the wild
  • Institutionalizing the birthing process
  • Pre-labor physiological preparations
  • Defining a hormonal gap
  • Setting yourself for the least amount of hormonal gap
  • Listening to your intuition when choosing a healthcare provider
  • What to do when hormonal gaps happen during birth
  • Is there an appropriate length of time to breastfeed?
  • Thoughts on bed sharing — a baby’s ancestral hardwiring
  • Sarah’s mission statement
  • What most excites Sarah in the field of birth care
  • Sarah’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Jul 12, 2017

Samuel Thayer — internationally recognized authority on edible wild plants — was one of our very first guests on ReWild Yourself Podcast (way back in Episode #2!), and I’m so honored to have him back on the show for Episode #152 to discuss a fundamental topic for the conscientious forager: Ecoculture.

Sam has authored two award-winning books on foraging, Nature’s Garden and The Forager’s Harvest, and he’s soon-to-be-releasing a third volume in his Forager’s Harvest series, Incredible Wild Edibles. He has taught foraging and field identification for more than two decades. Besides lecturing and writing, Sam is an advocate for sustainable food systems who owns a diverse organic orchard in northern Wisconsin and harvests wild rice, acorns, hickory nuts, maple syrup, and other wild products.

For Sam, hunting and gathering is not just a passion he pursues on the side, it is life. That may sound unattainable in our modern world, but tune in, and you’ll see that Sam’s approach is practical, comprehensive and well within reach.

In today’s show, we delve into "the management of natural ecosystems to enhance their production of useful products," or as Sam calls it, Ecoculture. Think “agriculture” and “permaculture,” but rather than tending to crops, we foragers tend the wild. Nature is productive, resilient and, perhaps most importantly, it includes humans. Rooted in our ancestry, hunting and gathering is how we cultivate relationship with our ecology, gain sovereignty from the agriculturally-dominated food system and protect the biodiversity of our planet for future generations. Tune in as Sam guides us through the principles of Ecoculture, and learn how you can get started stewarding your local landscapes right now.


  • Show Introduction:
    • SurThrival re-introduces Yaupon!
    • Hunt + gather updates: Clamming, shadbush, milkweed & blueberries
    • Q&A: Does blueberry raking harm the plant?
    • ReWild Yourself Podcast spotlight: Ask a Mortician - Caitlin Doughty #146
  • Introducing Sam Thayer
  • How Sam became an authority in the foraging world
  • Integrating wild food into your daily life
  • The divide between foragers and hunters
  • How the foraging demographic has changed over the years
  • Hunting and gathering as life vs a part of life
  • What is Ecoculture?
  • Replacing our agro-centric creation myth
  • Domestication of plants — who’s in control?
  • Nature is productive and resilient
  • Human impact on nature and “leave no trace” principles
  • Can 7 billion people forage?
  • The role of hunter gatherers in protecting biodiversity
  • How to get started in landscape stewardship
  • Sam’s hopes for the legacy of his work
  • Sam’s prognosis for the future of the human species
  • How to work with Sam
Jul 5, 2017

Stephen Jenkinson is back on ReWild Yourself Podcast to stretch our minds and hearts as he shares with us a bit of his elder wisdom on restoring real human culture. Stephen is a teacher, author, storyteller, spiritual activist, farmer and founder of the Orphan Wisdom School, a teaching house and learning house for the skills of deep living and making human culture.

In our last interview (Episode #34) — a humbling conversation for me — Stephen shared insight into dying wise in our death phobic society. In today’s conversation, we focus on living wisely and meaningfully in our modern culture of self-hatred, entitlement, unwillingness to live deeply and lost connection to what makes us human.

He leaves us with an empowering message on living a purposeful life, not just for ourselves, but for our collective culture and future generations. As Stephen so perfectly puts it, "Now is the time for work, not the time for getting paid.”


  • Show Introduction:
    • New SurThrival product coming soon!
    • Hunt + gather updates: Cattail pollen-bearing flowers, Milkweed flowers, Wild strawberries, Shadbush & Self-heal
    • CNN reports on the hunter-gatherer diet
    • Q&A: Milkweed harvesting tips
  • Introducing Stephen Jenkinson
  • The absence of village-mindededness
  • The story of Orphan Wisdom
  • Growth and the issue with "how-to" questions 
  • The measure of a sane society
  • Your generational spiritual project
  • What is real sorrow?
  • Real human culture
  • Stephen’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Jun 28, 2017

Can we eat our way out of our "invasive species" dilemma? Jackson Landers thinks that's part of the solution. The issue of invasives is becoming more prevalent as these species continue to spread, causing ecological destruction and the loss of native species and habitat all throughout our planet. As foragers and hunters, we have the opportunity to assist in the management of these non-native invasive species by targeting them when hunting and gathering. 

We’ve been discussing invasive species throughout this season of ReWild Yourself Podcast, and today’s interview will be the first in an informal series investigating the topic.

Our guest Jackson Landers is here to share his personal experience with eating invasives. Jackson is an author, science writer and adventurer based out of Charlottesville, Virginia, specializing in wildlife out of place. His most recent book, Eating Aliens, chronicles a year and a half spent hunting and fishing for invasive species and finding out whether we can eat our way out of some ecological disasters. In this episode, he recounts some of the interesting invasives he’s enjoying hunting and eating — from armadillo to lionfish. We discuss the true definition of invasive species, the effectiveness of hunting invasives as a form of eradication and how you can get involved with invasive species management. Enjoy this interview, and let’s keep this conversation going as we explore managing invasive species through hunting and gathering together this season!


  • Show Introduction:
    • Hunt + gather updates: Eating mackerel and milkweed season
    • Chewstick update
    • Q&A: Humanely killing fish
    • Q&A: Roadkill
    • On Invasive Species
  • Introducing Jackson Landers
  • How Jackson got into the world of hunting and fishing
  • Breaking the barrier to entry into the hunting world
  • Credible sources for hunting journals
  • What led Jackson to invasive species
  • Hunting the invasive armadillo
  • Defining invasives
  • Humans as an invasive species
  • What caused the great mass extinctions of years past?
  • How effective is hunting invasives as a form of eradication?
  • Palatability and easy to eat invasives
  • De-extinction explained
  • Jackson’s prognosis for the future of human species and conversation
  • How to get involved with Jackson
Jun 21, 2017

Author and practiculturalist Ben Hewitt is back on ReWild Yourself Podcast to give us a peek inside his adventures in building a lifestyle living with and from the land. Ben resides on a thriving 100-acre homestead in Vermont where he and his family explore back-to-the-land living, permaculture design, wildcrafting, traditional skills and alternative education paths for their two sons. 

In this episode, Ben shares on the evolution of his family’s personal journey as modern homesteaders. We discuss alternative childhood education and how his sons’ education paths have evolved in some unexpected directions. We also get into the topics of community-based living vs self-sufficient living, harvest sharing and how to strike a balance between foraging and farming. Ben’s non-dogmatic approach to this lifestyle is refreshing, and he has some wonderful insights for those aspiring to build their own ReWilded homestead.


  • Show Introduction:
    • SurThrival Solstice Sale
    • Hunt + Gather updates: wild strawberries and brook trout fishing
    • Chewstick update
    • Q&A: Favorite books and documentaries on agriculture
  • Introducing Ben Hewitt
  • What’s wrong with the term “unschooling”
  • State requirements for alternative schooling paths
  • What Ben’s kids enjoy learning about
  • Fear of death and a firsthand experience with a home funeral
  • Challenges of homeschooling
  • Can you lead a ReWilding lifestyle in an urban setting?
  • Life on a 100-acre farm in Vermont
  • Community-based living vs self-sufficiency
  • What types of food Ben’s family outsources
  • Striking a balance between foraging and farming
  • Advice to aspiring homesteaders
  • Ben’s prognosis for the future of the human species
Jun 17, 2017

I’m often asked for advice on career opportunities in the world of ReWilding. Many people feel stuck in the rut of a 9-5 and dream of doing work in the world that’s fulfilling, meaningful, adds value to the lives of others and is in line with their personal beliefs and values. I’ve spent over a decade setting up a lifestyle where work and play blend seamlessly. It is a beautiful thing to wake up each day and do work that fuels you with passion, drive and purpose. I’ve seen health and wellness “trends” come and go over the years, and I’ve found the ones that stand the test of time are those rooted in our ancestral biology. Natural movement is one such niche of the ReWilding lifestyle, and today’s episode instructs on how you can get involved with natural movement as a career path.

Danny Clark — MovNat Performance Director and Master Instructor —  is here to share a bit about the MovNat Trainer Certification program with us. MovNat is more than a system of natural movements, it is a training platform for enhancing the efficiency of your motility — walking, running, climbing, crawling, bounding and vaulting, lifting and carrying. It is a ReWilding approach to movement, placing its emphasis on retraining the brain and reprogramming our movement software.

I’ve personally attended the MovNat Level 1 and 2 Trainer Certification courses and can vouch for the caliber of instruction and value received (and fun had!). What I learned from MovNat has helped me to become more efficient in how I move through day to day life. In particular, it has immensely improved my efficiency in hunting and gathering, which I explain more about in this show. If you are interested in a starting a more meaningful career path and are passionate about natural movement, now is a great time to get involved on the ground floor of this budding industry!

Tune in for a special discount on MovNat Level 1 Trainer Certification and MovNat Online Coaching!


  • Show introduction:
    • SurThrival Pine Pollen Sale
    • Q&A: Stability ball vs standing
    • Q&A: Flexibility
    • Hunt + Gather updates
    • Experiment with chewing sticks
  • Introducing Danny Clark
  • Danny’s background
  • How Danny got involved with MovNat and natural movement
  • Learning movement through progression
  • Progressing through MovNat as a student
  • The 8 domains
  • How MovNat makes you fit for the ReWilding lifestyle
  • Getting involved with MovNat
  • MovNat Trainer Certification explained
  • Taking wildness to the mainstream
Jun 14, 2017

Why do I eat wild? There are many reasons behind my choice to eat wild and many levels at which this question can be answered.

Eating food is perhaps the most intimate act we perform, as my friend and regular podcast guest Arthur Haines so eloquently expresses in his lectures. The food — the organisms — you eat literally becomes your body. And, as we know, the dietary choices we make have vast implications on our environment as well as ourselves. Food, and where it comes from, reaches right to the heart of what it means to be human. Our dietary choices today deeply impact the future generations to come. Knowing this, it’s so important to be conscientious about the food we consume and how we choose to interact with our interconnected web of ecology.

In my first solo episode of the season, I unpack what eating wild — and living a modern hunter-gatherer lifestyle — means to me personally.


  • Show Introduction:
    • Hunt + Gather Updates: Black locust flower, Cattail shoots, Mackerel
    • New anthropological evidence pushing sapiens back to 300,000 years old
  • The Preamble 
    • Choosing and building your lifestyle
    • The modern human
    • Staying human
    • Self-mastery
    • What is food?
  • Why I Eat Wild
    • Species diversity and experiencing novelty
    • Walking humbly on the earth
    • Natural population limiter
    • Participating in the interconnected web of ecology
Jun 3, 2017

Caitlin Doughty — mortician, author and death acceptance advocate — joins us for a candid and humorous exploration of our mortality. Caitlin is on a mission to help our death-phobic society overcome anxieties about death and make death a part of life. She sheds light on all areas of death and the dying process in her popular Youtube channel “Ask a Mortician” and New York Times best-selling book Smoke Gets in Your Eyes. She founded the death acceptance collective The Order of the Good Death and co-founded Death Salon. She also runs Undertaking LA, a Los Angeles-based nonprofit progressive funeral home that empowers families to have a closer relationship with their loved one’s death.

In this episode, Caitlin guides us through our rights — post mortem — and encourages us to consider a question not many are prepared to face: How would you like to die? Throughout our human history, families were responsible for the care of their own dead; the practice of transferring death care to a funeral home is a relatively new custom. Caitlin illuminates the non-funeral home & natural death care options that are available to us — at-home funerals, embracing decay, death doulas, natural burials and conservation cemeteries. Empower yourself to embrace the natural process of death and meaningfully interact with the dying process.

Episode Breakdown:

  • Show Introduction:
    • SurThrival Pine Pollen Sale, upcoming product teaser & I'd Rather Hunt + Gather t-Shirts
    • Hunt + Gather updates: Eating groundhog, roadkill deer and more!
    • Q&A: The sustainability of hunting for 7.5 billion people
  • Introducing Caitlin Doughty
  • How Caitlin become enamored with the post mortem aspect of anatomy
  • Theory and practice
  • What is the common response to humor about death?
  • The civilizing of civilization — what’s contributed to our fear and avoidance of death
  • Caitlin’s exploration into the death rituals of cultures around the world
  • Conservation cemeteries
  • Death doulas, the non-funeral home experience and death acceptance
  • The legalities of handling a dead body 
  • Immaturity about death
  • Elders vs orders
  • How Caitlin would like to die
  • Caitlin’s prognosis for the future of the human species
May 31, 2017

Thomas J. Elpel is an author, builder, conservationist and a pioneer in experiential education. Inspired by his childhood adventures exploring and foraging the wild lands of Montana with his grandmother, Thomas developed a passion for the natural world at a very young age. He has dedicated his life to igniting this same passion in others and is a living example of the ReWilding lifestyle.

In this episode, Thomas and I discuss the importance of developing a deep and interactive relationship with nature. He elaborates on a concept we often discuss on ReWild Yourself Podcast — conservation through use. In order to be true advocates for conserving ecology, we must participate in it; not just observe it. Thomas shares how we can foster our connection to nature and find our place in the ecosystem through hunting, gathering and learning primitive skills. He also shares a bit about life as a hunter-gatherer in Montana, including a fascinating story about a wild bison harvest in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. I hope this interview inspires you to get out there and connect with YOUR local ecology! Enjoy!


  • Show Introduction:
    • A note of gratitude
    • Pine pollen sale at Surthrival
    • Hunt + Gather updates: Milkweed, Tenkara fishing & hunting dogs
    • Q&A: A four-element approach to a healthy nomadic lifestyle
  • Introducing Thomas Elpel
  • How Thomas became interested in nature-based living
  • How his book Botany in a Day came to be
  • Nature school immersion and the loss of nature connection
  • Participating in nature to fuel conservation
  • How to procure wild protein at a low cost
  • Mushroom and plant foraging in Montana
  • Balancing modern and primitive
  • Recounting a Yellowstone wild bison harvest
  • Thomas’s prognosis for the future of the human species
May 24, 2017

My dear sister Chloe Parsons joins us on ReWild Yourself Podcast to talk all things motherhood. Chloe blends her unique experience as a nutritional therapist, MovNat trainer and a mother of two to invigorate modern women with renewed perspective on health and happiness. She works with clients and actively shares her learning experiences in health, mothering and life as on Instagram.

In this episode, Chloe and I open up about a very intimate subject: our miscarriage stories. We share our own unique experiences with miscarriage, how it affected us and how we processed our reproductive grief. Additionally, Chloe recounts her firsthand experience with pregnancy, childbirth and mothering two children and discusses the philosophies that guide how she mothers. We also get into the topics of breastfeeding, menstruation, the importance of family and how Chloe incorporates movement into day to day life with her two children. If you’re a mother, mother-to-be or aspiring mother, this interview is for you!


  • Show Introduction:
    • Special appearance by Chef Frank Giglio!
    • Upcoming Surthrival Sale
    • Recounting a recent trip to Florida
    • Recent Maine foraging adventures
    • Q&A: Podcast & book recommendations for the beginning forager
    • Q&A: Where to forage for wild food
  • Introducing Chloe Parsons
  • On the importance of family
  • Chloe’s guiding mothering philosophies
  • Religious upbringing as a rite of passage
  • On miscarriage, holding space and women reclaiming the birth process
  • Beginning menstruation
  • Chloe describes the differences in her first and second pregnancies
  • Incorporating movement with kids through play
  • Breastfeeding
  • Auto-cannibalizing yourself post-pregnancy
  • Chloe’s postpartum approach to nutrition
  • Advice to aspiring mothers and mothers-to-be
  • Raising future generations and Chloe’s prognosis for the future of the human species
May 19, 2017

In past episodes of ReWild Yourself Podcast, I’ve explained why I’m not a vegan (ReWild Yourself Podcast #94) and, instead, why I’m a conscientious omnivore (ReWild Yourself Podcast #100). In my personal quest for the most natural diet for the human animal, I was a vegan for about 10 years, and The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith was an impactful read for me as I transitioned back to an omnivorous diet.

I’m thrilled to have Lierre Keith — former vegan, best-selling author and environmentalist — join us to share about her experience with veganism. Lierre spent 20 years eating a vegan diet, and in that time, she did significant damage to her body. Only when she began to introduce animal foods back into her diet — eating a more balanced, omnivorous diet — was her body able to heal and regenerate. Lierre also explains the destructive history of agriculture and why veganism is not the answer for ecological restoration of our devastated prairies and forests. This is an important conversation for all of us interested in eating the optimal human diet while living with a light ecological footprint on this planet!

**Please note: The audio quality of this interview is not excellent because we recorded over Skype. We apologize in advance for the audio quality, but we think the content makes up for it!


  • Show introduction:
    • Poison ivy, nettle stings and tick bites
    • Harvesting Hopniss, Apios americana
    • Upcoming Florida hunt + gather trip
    • Subscribe to my newsletter
    • Q&A: Thoughts on gardening vs wild food foraging
  • Introducing Lierre Keith
  • How Lierre came to write The Vegetarian Myth
  • The damage veganism can do to the human body
  • The results of Lierre’s 20 years of veganism
  • What led Lierre to ecological restoration
  • Why are vegans so angry?
  • Agriculture and our hierarchical civilization
  • Is organic farming a way forward?
  • Restoring the prairie grasslands
  • The future of Lierre’s work
  • What keeps Lierre motivated in her work
  • Lierre’s prognosis for the future of the human species
  • How to find Lierre’s work
May 17, 2017

Dr. Jack Wolfson “The Paleo Cardiologist” joins us on ReWild Yourself Podcast for a lively conversation on everything from natural heart health to vaccines to geoengineering. Dr. Wolfson is a board-certified cardiologist who believes bad nutrition and toxins create heart health problems. At his practice, Wolfson Integrative Cardiology, he uses in-depth testing and targeted nutrition to prevent and treat cardiovascular disease — treating the whole person, getting to the cause of the issue, instead of treating only the symptoms. 

Dr. Wolfson is bold, honest and passionate about awakening the world to wellness and a holistic approach to healthcare. In this episode, he breaks down the landscape of holistic cardiology and how he works with patients who are transitioning from conventional cardiology to a more natural approach. Our interview also takes us into some taboo areas — the vaccine debate and geoengineering, in particular — and Dr. Wolfson and I share our personal beliefs surrounding these topics. Please listen with an open mind, and as always, do your own research and use your intuition to come to your own personal conclusions. Enjoy!


  • Show Introduction:
    • I’d Rather Hunt + Gather T-Shirts
    • Leek harvest
    • Preserving your harvest
    • Post season scouting for new wild food spots
    • Subscribe to my newsletter
    • Q&A: Practical gear recommendations  
    • Q&A: Thoughts on wasted harvest
  • Introducing Dr. Jack Wolfson
  • The landscape of the conventional cardiology world
  • How Jack got into holistic cardiology
  • Transitioning a patient from conventional to holistic cardiology
  • Explaining quantifying blood tests
  • Breaking down Leaky Gut
  • Thoughts on environmental toxins and heavy metal toxicity in seafood
  • The vaccine debate
  • Attachment parenting
  • Is our modern-day condition by design or by accident?
  • Geoengineering
  • Jack’s prognosis for the future of the human species
May 10, 2017

Dr. Nicole Apelian joins us to share about her experience living with Lions and the San Bushmen in southern Africa. Nicole is a scientist, mother, educator, researcher, expeditionary leader, safari guide, herbalist and traditional skills instructor. Nicole’s background is as diverse as it is impressive. She has worked as a game warden with the US Peace Corps, spent time tracking and researching lions in southern Africa and she’s developed strong relationships with the San Bushmen tribe through years of living and working with them. A passionate educator, she currently leads yearly tracking & bird language expeditions through the Kalahari alongside the Naro Bushmen. Nicole continues her work with the San Bushmen to help them find strategies to preserve their traditions and is currently cataloging indigenous plant uses with a community of Naro Bushmen who regard her as family.

In this episode, Nicole gives us a peek inside the world of the San Bushmen tribe. We learn who they are, how they structure their tribe, how the relationships between men and women work and how they raise their babies. She also shares some of the horrific obstacles they’ve faced over the years and how they’re recovering today. 

Our conversation traverses a myriad of fascinating topics. We discuss what it’s like living with a predator, cultural appropriation and the romanticizing of the hunter-gatherer lifeway, Nicole’s time spent surviving alone in the wilderness, the future of modern day indigenous tribes living in their traditional lifeway and much, much more. 


  • Show Introduction:
    • Hunt + Gather T-Shirt Pre-order Update
    • How Reishi mushroom impacts your health
    • Pine pollen harvesting
    • Recounting spring turkey hunting in Maine and New Hampshire
    • The Eagle Huntress
    • Arthur Haines’ Spring Foraging Workshop
    • Landscape analysis
    • Ecologically conscious foraging and regulating foraging
    • Continuing the conversation on invasive species vs planetary plant citizenship
    • Q&A: Thoughts on forming communities online vs in-person
    • Subscribe to newsletter for exclusive content
  • Introducing Dr. Nicole Apelian
  • Nicole’s story
  • What it’s like living with predators
  • Living with African Lions vs living with Mountain Lions
  • Who are the San Bushmen?
  • The status of the San Bushmen botanical knowledge
  • The obstacles the San Bushmen have faced over the years and how they are recovering
  • Cultural appropriation and romanticizing the hunter-gatherer lifeway
  • Alone in the wilderness vs community living
  • Egalitarianism & the relationship between men and women in the San Bushmen community
  • Raising babies, love and marriage in the San Bushmen community
  • The gift of timelessness
  • How Nicole fed herself during her time alone in the wilderness
  • Role of wild food and medicine in the future
  • The future of indigenous peoples living in their traditional lifeway
  • Nicole’s prognosis for the future of the human species
  • Importance of prepping
  • How to connect with Nicole
May 3, 2017

Our feet are so much more capable than many of us are aware, and innovative podiatrist Dr. Ray McClanahan is here to share how we can attain strong, flexible, proprioceptive and resilient feet that engage their world meaningfully.

In his 18 years as a podiatrist, Dr. Ray has learned that most foot problems can be corrected by restoring natural foot function. His practice, Northwest Foot & Ankle in Portland, Oregon, allows him to care for those who find their highest joy when in motion. He is also the inventor of Correct Toes, silicone toe spacers designed to place each toe in the correct anatomical position in relationship to each other and to the ground.

In this episode, Dr. Ray shares the history of wearings casts (aka shoes) on our feet and the foot ailments that are caused by modern footwear and lifestyle. He breaks down our basic foot anatomy and the vast capabilities of the human foot when allowed to function in its natural form. He also gives an overview of what the journey to robust foot health looks like and the steps we can take to achieve this. Tune in for an in-depth discussion on this foundational piece of our overall health and wellness strategy!


  • Show introduction:
    • Pine Pollen harvesting season
    • Recounting this week’s turkey hunt
    • Birch syrup season
    • Spring green foraging
    • Discussion on invasive species
  • Introducing Dr. Ray McClanahan
  • Why did we start wearing casts on our feet?
  • What foot ailments are caused by footwear and lifestyle?
  • Breaking down foot anatomy
  • How Dr. Ray got into natural podiatry & the podiatry industry
  • The four primary negative features of athletic footwear
  • Capabilities of the human foot
  • The story of William Rossi and Phil Hoffman
  • Fashion footwear
  • The truth about arch support
  • What does the journey to foot health look like?
  • Dr. Ray’s prognosis for the future of the human species
  • How to connect with Dr. Ray
Apr 26, 2017

In part two of the Way of the Sea Huntress, professional spearfisherwoman Kimi Werner shares the beautiful story of her relationship with her local aquatic ecology and what led her from competitive spearfishing to spearfishing for food. Coming full circle, one of the most important parts of spearfishing for Kimi is getting to prepare her harvest to share with her loved ones and community. Tune in for an inspiring story of a woman dedicated to her craft and passionate about a healthy, sustainable future for our global community. And if you enjoy this conversation, check out part one where Kimi and I go deeper into her spearfishing hunting practice!


  • Introducing Kimi Werner
  • How Kimi became a spearfisherwoman
  • What led Kimi to competitive spearfishing
  • Spearfishing in Hawaii vs Rhode Island
  • Walking away from competition
  • Who is Kimi today
  • Participating in ecology
  • Kimi’s relationship to her prey
  • Kimi on holding her breath
  • Women and hunting
  • The beauty of your food’s story
  • Kimi’s prognosis for the future of the human species
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